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February 13, 2006

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VEEP WHO COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN DICK CHENEY'S HUNTING "ACCIDENT"? (Updated)

A smart mid-western friend who has a lot of quail-hunting experience writes:

Quail The entire Cheney hunting accident story stinks.  The delay in announcing it isCheney_2  suspicious, obviously.  I'll bet Cheney had a few beers in him, but I'm not sure that is illegal in Texas (drinking and hunting is illegal in most states, but I couldn't find out if that includes Texas).
But a few other points that may be worth noting:
1.    The news reports say the accident happened "around 5:30 pm" on Saturday.  In Texas, quail can be hunted until 30 minutes after sunset.  Sunset on Saturday, in Corpus Christi, was at 6:18, which means they were legal until 6:48.  The "around" is suspicious.
Harry_whittington 2.    The news reports say that after Whittington (left) had gotten off his shot and went looking for his bird, Cheney and the other hunter went to another spot where they saw a covey of quail.  Texas quail might be different from Iowa quail, but in Iowa when a shotgun goes off, every quail within earshot flutters away.  The story doesn't make sense.
3.    None of the stories have commented on the fact that they were "road hunting", or hunting from a car.  That is just about the lowest kind of low-rent, dishonorable kind of hunting there is (the phrase "road hunting" is often used synonymously with "poaching").  When I was growing up in Iowa, I went pheasant or quail hunting on scores of occasions with my Dad and others.  We never would have hunted from a vehicle and it was an insult to even suggest that someone might.  It was considered dangerous and declasse, as it was too great an advantage for the hunter to be "fair".   It most states, including Texas, it is also illegal: Shotgun

"It is unlawful to hunt from or by means of motor-driven vehicles and land conveyances or aircraft of any kind except paraplegics and single or double amputees of legs may hunt from stationary motor-driven vehicles or land conveyances."
However, Texas exempts private property owners from the prohibition when they are on their own land and Cheney was with the property owner on his ranch.  But it is still really tacky.
4.    Hunting quail in Texas requires an "Upland game bird stamp", which costs $7.  This is a relatively new requirement, but I'll bet Cheney didn't have one.
5.   The spin is that Whittington "came up from behind the Vice President", implying that he snuck up on him or was somehow partially responsible because Cheney didn't know he was there.  When hunting, it is bad form to walk in front of someone's gun.  When given a choice, one would always approach another hunter from behind.
Cheney has gotten negative press in the past for participating in "canned hunts" Cheney_roadkill and a couple of years ago he got really negative press for going on a canned pheasant hunt in Pennsylvania where he got between 70 and 95 birds (depending on which report is to be believed).  The typical daily limit in places like Iowa and South Dakota, where we have many more pheasants than Pennsylvania, is 3 or 5 per day and a possession limit of 15 or 20. 
To many of our milieu, hunting is hunting is hunting and the distinctions noted above aren't that big of a deal.  To hunters, these are important distinctions.  Hunting regulations are strictly enforced in most states and every sixpack Joe knows he better abide by them or he'll get in trouble.  Most hunters aren't affluent suede vest guys, they are working class guys within a couple of generations of agriculatural roots.  The gluttony of shooting 70 pheasant in a day is almost impossible for them to comprehend.
Focusing on the kill rather than the hunt is frowned upon.  Killing more than you can eat is frowned upon.  Canned hunts and that kind of over-indulgence is for the Rambo hunters, who are not thought highly of by the old-fashioned Izaak Walton league type of guys, like my Dad.
Someone should be asking if Cheney was drinking, if he was properly licensed with his Upland Game Bird Stamp, when (and if) the hunting accident was actually reported to the authorities and if anyone has investigated why the quail in Texas seem to have gone deaf.
Ms. Armstrong claims to have been in the car, but to have witnessed the shooting.  If so, that would mean the hunters were fairly close, within eyeshot, which makes it even less likely that Whittington had gotten off a shot at a quail and then there were other quail still waiting around for Cheney to find them. It just does not make sense!
UPDATE AT 1:50 PM: CBS news' White House correspondent reports that Secret Ser ie agents prevented local law enforcement from interviewing Cheney. At White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan's late morning press conference, he said that Cheney had a valid hunting license -- but no one asked whether the Veep had the required Upland Game Bird Stamp. Think Progress has a partial transcript of the McClelln presser here. And my quail-hunting friend updates his comments above with the following:
"I spoke to my younger brother today who did not know anything about the hunting accident.  He kind of lives off the grid, doesn't pay attention to news, I'm not sure he has a wallet, checking account or even pays taxes.  What he does is hunt and fish.  And generally vote Republican I am sorry to report.
I read him the story and when I got to the part about Cheney and the other guy going to flush a second covey of quail, he interrupted me "You NEVER break your hunting party when hunting quail.  NEVER NEVER NEVER."  He explained that game birds flight patterns vary when they are taking flight or flushed.  Quail flush in a starburst or "blizzard pattern" and fly all around, often between the hunters themselves.  Pheasant go up in a linear fashion, away from the hunters. 
My brother said that it also depended on what kind of quail they were hunting and Blue_quail_1 whether or not they were stocked quail or wild quail.  He said if they were "blues" (one of the two main species in Texas) (left), they typically first run on the ground, in a single file, to the nearest cover.  It might be a piece of sagebrush, but the entire covey will hover underneath it.  Then, when one of them sees better cover and takes off for it, they'll all follow single file. 
He thinks it may be possible that some of them were flushed--and Whittington took his shot--and the other birds ran a few yards to better cover, and Cheney and the other hunter followed those birds.  At this point he repeated his comment about "never breaking your party when hunting quail".  That is, apparently, one of the most common reasons for hunting accidents (that and alcohol).
Bobwhite quail (right) don't run and they'll sit tight until they are flushed.  Bobwhite_quail
Whether the initial shot would have caused the other nearby birds to flush or not may depend on whether or not they were stocked birds.  He said that wild birds usually would flush upon hearing a shot, but stocked birds may be less likely to and could just sit tight.  "They'll watch the hunters and if the hunters don't see them, they'll sit tight until they figure out they've been detected and then they'll flush".
In any case, when I read to him the part about Whittington approaching the Veep from behind, without announcing himself, he said "that's bullshit, it is his fault.  It is always the shooters' fault".  That reminded me of "the pause" which was what our Dad taught us to do right before squeezing the trigger.  We were taught to build in a moment, even if a fraction of a second, right before firing the gun to look at precisely what you were shooting at.  This was true whether hunting birds or shooting skeet (clay pigeons).  You never fired your gun as part of a swinging motion or in excitement; you maintained safety and control by always having that fractional pause.
Cheney_nra He said Cheney is "a weekend warrior who really just wants to do his blasting" and is "more interested in the kill than in the hunt". (Left, Cheney gets gift of gun from NRA Convention.) He called that type of hunter "overzealous and lazy" and said they "don't enjoy the hunt for what it is".
My brother and our Dad have won all sorts of awards for hunting, as have their dogs.  They travel all over the continent to shoot various fowl (no mammals), including some of the most respected bird hunts, like the []deleted] and the [deleted] Championship. 
I asked him if he could be quoted on the record and he said "you gotta be kidding, these people will track you down".  That prompted me to ask him if the election were held today, would he vote for Bush or Kerry and he stunned me by saying he thought he'd go for Kerry now.  That was the best news of the day.  I then asked Bush or Hillary and he said "I won't for her".  I asked Bush or Vilsack and he said, without hesitation, Vilsack."
2nd UPDATE MONDAY MIDNIGHT: My perspicacious friend was right in his speculation above: Smoking Gun now has the local law enforcement report showing that Cheney indeed did NOT have an Upland Game Bird Stamp on his hunting license.
GOP SEN. ALLEN CALLS FOR PROBE OF CHENEY IN LEAK Meanwhile, Republican Senator George Allen of Virginia (left) -- a potential Allen_george Republican presidential contender in 2008 -- has called  for Cheney to be put on the grill about reports in the Plame case that he leaked her name to Scooter Libby, AP reports. On Fox News Sunday, Allen said a full investigation was necessary, adding, "I don't think anybody should be releasing classified information, period, whether in the Congress, executive branch or some underling in some bureaucracy.".... and kudos to Murray Waas, the guy who broke the story of the Cheney leak. MurrayMuray_waas  (right) , a friend and sometime colleague, has done some great reporting on the Plame case from the beginning -- and it was Murray who last week broke the story of the Cheney leak in the National Journal. Smart people who follow this case -- including the leading journalists on the story -- have learned to keep tabs on Murray Waas's blog for new developments and insights no one else has.

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Posted by: Mojo | Feb 17, 2006 11:36:45 PM

I hunt quail annually about 50 miles north of the ranch Cheney was on. These ranches are big and quail hunting "cars" are used to get to the pastures to hunt. These cars were made famous on the King Ranch which borders the Armstrong Ranch. They were made fron old checker cabs , with the doors removed to get in and out of quickly to get to the birds in a rapid fashion. Quail are hunted behind dogs (English and German Pointers) who "point" to the covey of quail as the hunters follow spread in a line behind the dogs. The dog will freeze on point and the hunters, usually no more than 3-4 at a time, will walk ever so slowly until the covey flushes. the hunters will then shoot the quail as they rise off the ground. the quail make a loud racket as they flap their wings to fly. There is hunting etiquette involved. One must "defer" from shooting at a bird if it passes you and gets in range of another hunter. Guns like cheneys are standard. a .28 guage shotgun is considered a very spotsman like gun because it requires skill and it does not destroy the birds carcass. Most hunters use a larger .20 gauge shotgun which shoots more pellets. gun safety is paramount in quail hunting. optic orange is worn for sighting other hunters before you shoot. hunters must always know where the other hunter is. Incidents like this shooting happen when a shooter does not use care in sighting his shot. also, the person getting shot must let the others know where he is. Blame is shared but usually if you shoot someone on a quail hunt on a Texas ranch, you don't get invited back.

Posted by: chatoman | Feb 15, 2006 1:49:31 AM

Why aren't we congratulating the Vice President for shooting a potential terrorist?

Posted by: Jon Swift | Feb 14, 2006 7:09:01 PM

Harry Whittington knows some of the administrations dirty secrets, to be sure. He served as the Texas Funeral Commissioner during that big scandal involving SCI. SCI's "Kenyon" was hired in a no-bid contract to handle the body recovery in New Orleans, and the job was bungled. Bush was governor of Texas at the time and just recently got fined for his role in the cover-up of the SCI debacle. AND, just two weeks ago Whittington won yet another battle against the Texas "eminent domain" law - they are trying to seize some of Whittington's land across from the Austin Convention Center.

Not to mention that the landowner of the hunting grounds is a lobbyist and that she and Dick decided together what they would tell the media.

I don't know - but at the risk of sounding paranoid, I *do* know that something stinks. Accident? Maybe. But why was Whittington off with Cheney and 2 lobbyists (the other companion was a lobbyist, wasn't she?) when there's SO much controversy in Dick's life at the moment. Everything must be about business for him - there's no way he was simply 'taking her easy' for the weekend. No WAY, not with his money at stake.

anyway - it'd be interesting to dig up other connections between Cheney and Whittngton. What if this guy dies as a result of these wounds? Will Cheney be up on manslaughter charges? Accident or not, that's the law.

Posted by: canadian | Feb 14, 2006 2:47:20 PM

Nefarious old bastard. I hope he thinks he's going to live forever.

I have watched his mouth lie so many times, it's beyond a disgrace.

Posted by: mickeywayland | Feb 14, 2006 1:26:58 AM

Too bad Dickless didn't shoot himself in the head. That would really be party time!

Posted by: rego | Feb 14, 2006 12:48:02 AM

He did NOT have a hunting stamp!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cheney_hunting_accident;_ylt=AlQZRETtR9J.FBrf52Cm31.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Posted by: Laurie | Feb 13, 2006 10:41:41 PM

The Dick has never followed the rule of law, so wht's the big deal about shooting a Republican Lawyer out of season? How about the thousands of common AMERICANS, he's killed in Iraq???

Posted by: Jess Wonderin | Feb 13, 2006 8:29:43 PM

"None of the stories have commented on the fact that they were "road hunting", or hunting from a car. That is just about the lowest kind of low-rent, dishonorable kind of hunting there is (the phrase "road hunting" is often used synonymously with "poaching")."

Very common in south Texas, on the hundreds of 20,000 plus acre ranches (20,000 acres is over 30 square miles, btw...), for quail hunting trucks with built in kennels for 10+ dogs to be used to follow dogs as they work. The dogs go on point, the hunters disembark from the vehicle, and approach the dogs.

Hunting from a vehicle on a private 40 or 50 square mile south Texas ranch is far different from "road hunting" - i.e. pulling over to shoot a deer frozen in one's headlights on the road.


"Bobwhite quail (right) don't run and they'll sit tight until they are flushed."

I sure wish someone would come down to south Texas and inform all the Bobwhite quail of this fact. Or seperate them from the blues from which they've clearly picked up bad habits. I've been complaining for years that they aren't playing by the rules...

Posted by: txbbqking | Feb 13, 2006 5:57:19 PM

no offense meant to any quail hunters, but UGH! It takes about a gunny sack of the lil fuckers to make a decent family meal. Hell, with pheasant it'll take one, maybe two and you've got your family fed. but with quail it's more like 5-7....and why the hell would anyone trust a lil' draft dodging fucktard like Cheney with a gun? (I'm not even going to get into the disgust I'm feeling over their hunting from the roadside....)

yes...spelling errors abound.

Posted by: Dan | Feb 13, 2006 5:44:01 PM

As someone else said today, we hope The Dick will invite George W to go along on his next hunting experience.

Posted by: Mary | Feb 13, 2006 5:01:40 PM

Can you imagine serving in combat with this moron. The term killed by friendly fire would have followed Cheney through his military career if he hadn't been a cowardly chickenhawk. Thank heavens he wasn't in the military. Thank heavens Clueless George also went AWOL in Alabama. Can you imagine that jerk in a ammo laden jet. Think of the friendly fire he could inflict on our troops. Can you believe that these morons are still worshipped by the clueless Repugnant Party.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 13, 2006 4:07:51 PM

FYI, jmr, open alcoholic beverages are not allowed inside vehicles travelling on public roads in Texas. The law was passed some years ago. Previously, it was illegal to drink while driving, but having an open container in the vehicle was not considered evidence of an offense. (Indeed, while most probably drank, there were certainly a few who would not drink from an open container until reaching their destinations.) In order to be convicted of drinking while driving (not drunken driving, which is a separate charge) an officer pretty much had to observe someone take a drink from an alcolic beverage while in control of a vehicle.

Posted by: BruceH | Feb 13, 2006 4:01:23 PM

Anne Armstrong -- on whose ranch the shooting took place -- was an original member of the FISA Court under President Reagan. She may still be a member, We don't know since it is a secret court. Harry Whittington is a cantakerous old lawyer from Austin Texas who may also be a member of the Court. We all know that Cheney likes to "go hunting" with judges that are about to hear a case wherein he is the defendant (see: Scalia and the Energy Committee meetings). Whittington may have been asked to pre-emptively rule on the NSA matter and refused. This could just be a "shot over the bow" of the other judges on the FISA Court who have been asked to issue a ruling on the legal of the wiretaps.

The story has changed several times already. At one point Cheney said that Whittington came up behind him unexpectedly and startled him, then he says he swung around to take a shot and didn't see Whittington . . . now he says Whittington when out in front to pick up his kill. If they were lazy enough to be hunting from a car, one would think that they would have dogs to go pick up the dead birds. Does this White House gang tell the truth about anything? Ever?

Posted by: Robert | Feb 13, 2006 3:38:43 PM

It was merely a preemptive attack on a suspected terrorist.

Everyone is a suspected terrorist.

Posted by: plunger | Feb 13, 2006 2:47:31 PM

I don't think there were any quails flushed at all. I think Cheney was just blasting at birds in the bushes. He heard a noise, whipped around, saw the tall grass moving and fired in that general direction. Like you say, he was into the kill, not the hunt. Why give the birds a fighting chance. Regardless, one quote from this article says it all: "It is always the shooters' fault".

Posted by: Roger Spark | Feb 13, 2006 2:40:23 PM

At least Cheny finally has some combat experience of his own now.

Posted by: Raoul | Feb 13, 2006 2:12:38 PM

How does one hunter come up from behind another if they are hunting from a car ?

Posted by: Paul | Feb 13, 2006 2:12:13 PM

I believe that Whittington fella was gonna spill the beans about Cheney and some reporter named Jeff Gannon bein' the inspiration behind that movin' picture called Brokeback Mountain.

Posted by: spank_n_da_chimp | Feb 13, 2006 2:08:39 PM

If you want to protect the quail and pheasants from Dick Cheney, just dress them up as North Vietnamese

Posted by: Eric | Feb 13, 2006 1:30:27 PM

Oh please! Hunting quail from a vehicle, usually a modified jeep, is no less sporting than useing a golf cart, especially for someone with a bad heart or for a lawyer in this 70's.

Posted by: Peachy | Feb 13, 2006 1:24:54 PM

The author used the word 'declasse' and 'Iowa' in the same paragraph. That's funny!
(And I'm an Iowegian too.)

Posted by: Gurra | Feb 13, 2006 1:19:28 PM

We will never know the truth from this bunch. Too many questions will go unanswerd. Lucky cheney's doctor and an ambulance was nearby because they follow cheney wherever he goes, in case he needs them. Most Americans don't have healthcare but cheney has them following him wherever he goes, at our taxdollars - isn't that nice?

The delay in reporting this is so they could sobered up and get their story straight.

Posted by: 49er | Feb 13, 2006 1:14:03 PM

Dick Cheney---shooting more quail than legally allowed? Say it isn't so! That would be greedy and we know Cheney isn't a greedy person don't we???

Posted by: Elisabeth Ham | Feb 13, 2006 1:13:16 PM

VP Dick Cheney is concerned about his personal reputation, so shooting someone while hunting makes him look bad! He never wanted this story to come out, but a reporter found out in Texas!
Dick is a wealthy snob hunter, and hunts out of meanness to kill things, and he does not like to walk any distance to shoot, so he was shooting from a vehicle for sure! His wounded friend has agreed to not talk to the press, so the cover-up begins! We may never know the whole story?!

Posted by: Jay Randal | Feb 13, 2006 1:07:53 PM

Personally, I'm happy to see some gunwielding, macho gaia-raping, rambo wannabe hunter get shot while pointlessly slaughtering innocent fowl. Anyway, to any reasonable person, violating Texas's requirment of the Upland Game Bird Stamp would definitely be an impeachable offense, so I think we finally have your issue for '06. Now if we can just find an aggrieved mother whose son died quail hunting to camp out at Cheney's house we'll be set.

Posted by: Chairman Moo | Feb 13, 2006 1:04:39 PM

Now the Whitehouse spin machine is claiming he wasn't shot. He was "sprinkled" because there wasn't a bullet in the SHOT gun. This is just another case of "baptism under fire".

Posted by: Lmaris | Feb 13, 2006 12:32:42 PM

I think drinking and driving is legal in Texas, so it wouldn't surprise me if drinking and shooting were, too.

The distinction between "hunting" and "killing" reminds me of the Fran Liebowitz remark that a sportsman is someone who now and then is seized with the irresistable urge to go out and kill something.

Posted by: jmr | Feb 13, 2006 12:31:03 PM

Cheney with shotgun over his shoulder and the safety is off. "Gotcha," someone says and Cheney, in a finger jerk reaction, fires hitting Wittington.

Posted by: BeeR | Feb 13, 2006 12:26:33 PM

Cheney wanted Whittington taken out... follow the money trail... connect the dots... what does Whittington know about the Plame leak? interesting this happened right as Republicant Senators started calling for an investigation of Cheney... he's starting to feel the heat...

Posted by: Pete Bogs | Feb 13, 2006 11:45:43 AM

Someone please tell me how he got shot in the face if he came up behind Cheney? Did Cheney think he was a terrorist and turned and blasted him? Was the delay in reporting due to the fact that the whole crew had too much to drink? What do the hospital records show as to the blood alchohol reading of the shootee? If the shootee was plastered doesn't it also follw that shit head was also plastered?

Posted by: RN | Feb 13, 2006 11:20:30 AM

So, Cheney has shot at someone else who didn't have WMDs?

Big surprise.

Posted by: Paul Cilwa | Feb 13, 2006 11:15:57 AM

Coming right behind Libby's betrayal, things don't look too good for "Big Dick and the Extenders"! But then, so far, reality hasn't stopped the Neocons.

Posted by: Laura Knight-Jadczyk | Feb 13, 2006 10:50:43 AM

Anyone familiar with quail will also know that quail (a cute but very skittish bird) will not fly toward a human even when flushed. The birds have an uncanny ability in a covey to make amazing direction change in flight. To "Go F... Yourself" Cheney I say - LIAR, LIAR Pants on Fire.

Posted by: Bren | Feb 13, 2006 10:48:49 AM

NEXT DICK WILL SAY SOMEONE FIRED FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL.

Posted by: hobojo | Feb 13, 2006 10:41:22 AM

HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU SHOOT A MAN WEARING E RED VEST,IS DICK HEAD BLIND?

Posted by: hobojo | Feb 13, 2006 10:34:38 AM

I think DICKIE AND WIMPY CHIMPY SHOULD BOTH WEAR SIX SHOOTERS IN WHITE HOUSE AND COMPETE IN FAST DRAW EXHIBITS,MAYBE AMERICA GET LUCKY AND CHICKEN HAWK FEATHERS WOULD FLY,JUST JOKING!

Posted by: hobojo | Feb 13, 2006 10:28:57 AM

I guess it's not enough that "DEADEYE DICK" is responsible for endless killing and destruction in Iraq, he has to kill innocent animals too? He disgusts me. If he's so trigger happy why doesn't he just pick up his gun and go to Iraq?

Posted by: joni | Feb 13, 2006 10:18:49 AM

They say that the wounded hunter was searching for a downed bird. I don't hunt quail, but do hunt pheasant and grouse, both are veery difficult to locate once they are down unless you have a dog. Both are larger than quail. I find it hard to beleive that these fat cat road hunters didn't have a dog and handler tagging along.

Posted by: Henk | Feb 13, 2006 10:04:56 AM

It is strange that ANYONE would be able to "sneak up" on the heavily guarded Vice President. Makes you wonder what really happened.

Posted by: Kathie | Feb 13, 2006 9:35:13 AM

This may have something to do with the Veep's New Year's Resolution to refrain from telling people to go "F" themselves. Now he just shoots them.

Posted by: Ken in MN | Feb 13, 2006 9:13:50 AM

No matter what Dick "Head" Cheney says I don't buy it. He's a liar.

Posted by: Tom Koop | Feb 13, 2006 8:28:41 AM

First, the White House blamed Harry for getting shot. Today they'll say the quail was from IRAN. Obviously, we must invade IRAN.

Posted by: Judy | Feb 13, 2006 8:01:35 AM

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